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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:43:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Blueprint For Murder wrote:The CR is the only weapon without a balance mechanic I was wondering if any of you have any ideas. Increase the time between "bursts" of rounds. Remove the scope.
WTF!
LMAO Nooooooooo please go home Ripley, you're drunk.
CR is very much fine.
It's scope actually IS PART of it's balancing mechanic...it's worse off in those ranges where the ACR can ADS...you try ADS'ing in just outside CQC ranges and your FoV is fugged up.
This is WHY people already prefer the ACR to the CR....
This bullshit needs to chillax.
The RoF is perfect because it has a very good 'rhythm' to it.
How about you tell me what buff it should receive if you're going to give it "a balancing mechanic" 
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4612
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:45:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Bright Steel wrote:I do believe it could is a rate of fire decrease.
Who can hit the trigger 6.67 times per second with out a turbo controller???
That's the problem, turbo controllers I can easily do that. I wouldn't even need to try. That's only 400 RoF. I could fire at 400 while drugged... Actually, if you can't do that, you need to get your hands checked. You might have a medical issue. On the few occasions that I actually use the CR, I have to throttle myself pretty damn hard not to oversample it. Since the ScR gots its RoF Nerf, I've oversampled that 2 times. I remember because it was jarring. That's 600 RoF. 400 is child's play.
Ya damn right...actually it's VERY easy to 'oversample' the CR and lose out on DPS because it's so easy to press too quickly.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4614
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Posted - 2014.11.17 18:35:00 -
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Where is it 'overperforming'?
Can you give me recent data that demonstrates that?
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4616
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Posted - 2014.11.17 18:49:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Where is it 'overperforming'?
Can you give me recent data that demonstrates that? The top weapons in my killfeed are the HMG and CR, in that order. Ask Rattati for a wider sample size and then post it somewhere for review. Prove my hypothesis wrong 
Ahhh, yeah anecdotal assertions of "this is what i see so it's OP"
I thought we learned about this back when Buster Friendly tried doing this....
Welp, this thread can officially be trashed.
Logical: "We should get data to see if the CR is overperforming"
Illogical: "Until we see data proving the CR is -not- overperforming...we need to nerf it"
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4616
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Posted - 2014.11.17 19:08:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Ahhh, yeah anecdotal assertions of "this is what i see so it's OP" I thought we learned about this back when Buster Friendly tried doing this.... Welp, this thread can officially be trashed. Logical: "We should get data to see if the CR is overperforming" Illogical: "Until we see data proving the CR is -not- overperforming...we need to nerf it" You are fighting my anecdotal evidence with your own anecdotal evidence Let's recap, I'm open to data being shown to invalidate my theory. You are not. I wonder why... so how many CR skills are you capped out in, Zatara? I will reiterate: I could be wrong. Can you poke Rattati for a simple question, "Is the CR in the top 7 highest performing weapons in pubs?" or something like that?
See that's the funny thing...I respecced out of CR's...I don't have a dog in the fight here.
Where did I give anecdotal evidence that opposed yours?
I simply disregarded yours, lol.
I'm quite open to data being shown...where did I say I wasn't. This whole path I get down with forum users where inevitably they try to assert **** like this gets so old. Seriously.
Anybody who can read this and has a brain is going to see this and laugh.
Anyways...just because a weapon is being used in pubs more often doesn't even mean it's OP.
You need to get that through your skull.
It could mean any number of things...for instance it may just be that it's simply MUCH more 'fun' to use/'feels' good to use. That's a problem of the other rifles needing to be evaluated.
The litmus test for if something is OP is seeing it's abuse in PC.
And last data that we got...it isn't.
Not even on the top 10.
What significant buffs has it received for you to assert those numbers should have spiked?
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4619
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Posted - 2014.11.17 19:24:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:This whole path I get down with forum users where inevitably they try to assert **** like this gets so old. Seriously. I guess I haven't said it enough... I'm willing be wrong, I just don't believe I am. I would love some data to prove one way or the other. Zatara Rought wrote:What significant buffs has it received for you to assert those numbers should have spiked? I never said it received buffs. It didn't need them, it's been powerful from the get-go. The +5% bonus to armor helped it along though.
Hey!!! We're getting somewhere!
So no discussions of nerfs unless numbers support anecdotal evidence!
As for the 2nd quote...I got the wording wrong there, and changed it...not before you got to it though, apologies for the confusion. 
I could be quite wrong as well, and I'd almost preferred if CCP got into a habit of bi weekly or monthly posts to the community that put data like this transparently, and then had open discussions about interpreting the numbers.
But yeah...nerfing **** without numbers to back it up...no no no.
And the latest numbers? Nope CR is not OP.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4623
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Posted - 2014.11.17 19:45:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:So no discussions of nerfs unless numbers support anecdotal evidence! Zatara Rought wrote:But yeah...nerfing **** without numbers to back it up...no no no. Homie, I offered up ways to balance the CR (remove the scope, increase time between bursts). If Rattati followed up my post with, "CR is dragging behind the other rifles in Kills Per Death and Kills per Second" you and I both know I wouldn't have pushed for anything resembling a nerf. We'd be talking about ways to make the CR perform better right now. Data trumps my opinions on a weapon. All day, e'rry day. So don't act like I'm pushing an agenda.
The issue...is that until you have numbers to support that it is -un-balanced...asserting that you are going -to- balance by [insert nerf here] is lol.
I appreciate you saying that data trumps your opinions...it's just very confusing to have you say that...and yet before -without numbers- say "Yeah we need to nerf because it's overperforming"
See the issue?
Don't assert it's overperforming..ask if it is unless you have numbers.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4628
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Posted - 2014.11.17 21:46:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:The CR is barely used in PC.
^^^^
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
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